The Greatest Tribulation
“For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.” Matthew 24:21-22
The context of Matthew 23-25 is very clearly first century. Many interpreters are forced to put gaps and parentheses and qualifiers into Jesus’ warnings because they won’t recognise what happened in the last years of the Old Covenant.[1]
Surely there have been greater tribulations since the Jewish war? World Wars I and II trump it easily when measured for human suffering and body count.
The key is the elect. It was the greatest tribulation of all time — for the people of God. The warnings were spoken to disciples. Jesus was only concerned with the faithful. The Jews who had hardened their hearts like Pharaoh for a full generation were not the issue. They were the “vessels for destruction.” It was the saints who were the issue, and their suffering was precious.
After the “tribulation of those days” means after the massacres of Christians. That is when the Old Covenant curses fell for the last time. Lot had left Sodom. That is when the tribes of the Land would mourn, and they did. This was not the great tribulation. It was Day of the Lord.[2]
After AD70, Satan was bound from gathering the nations against the church. There are battles here and there, but nothing on a worldwide scale. Until, of course, he is released and tries it again. In that future day, the saints won’t be massacred as firstfruits. Satan and his followers will be destroyed immediately, and the second resurrection will follow.
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[1] This includes many moderate preterists, who spiritualise or generalise the first resurrection. It was a one-time, imminent, physical event that all the apostles looked forward to. Then the hyperpreterists, who get the first resurrection right, spiritualise the second resurrection! Go figure.
[2] I guess this answers the pre-wrath/post-wrath rapture question. It was pre-wrath. The saints were harvested as grain and grapes (Rev. 14) before the seven Atonement bowls were poured out. The saints from both Old and New Covenants entered to govern in heaven. See Jesus’ New Broom.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Bully,
Your comment on the parentheses of Matt 24,25 is how I feel about what happens to Rev. 20 and throwing the whole judgement scene into the future and then coming back to the present with chs 21,22. Please peruse my post here and get back to me.
http://postdeliberatuslux.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/revelation-20/
December 5th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Hi Travis
James Jordan’s lectures, and his booklet “The Vindication of Jesus Christ” answer these questions. You will also find his answers in Totus Christus.
Basically, the four horsemen are the gospel being preached in Acts. Once the Land is conquered (AD70), the process begins again with a white horse, and the gospel going out into the world.
Besides looking under the Millennium tag here, here are some links, too:
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2009/11/07/for-a-thousand-years/
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2009/04/16/saved-from-the-green-horse/
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2009/04/16/three-resurrections-1/
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2009/04/10/amalek-debunks-hyperpreterism-7/
Jordan’s book is here:
http://www.amazon.com/Vindication-Jesus-Christ-Readers-Revelation/dp/0975391488/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259991143&sr=8-1
Kind regards,
Mike
December 5th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Also, on the New Heavens and New Earth, see here:
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2009/08/01/a-new-heavens-and-a-new-earth/
December 5th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Yeah,
I actually own all of JbJ’s stuff on disc and have listened to ALL the Rev lectures. Still have some questions though. Do you know if there are any reformed charts of the things JbJ brings up?
December 5th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I think Jordan on Revelation is unique, and also quite correct. On the central part of Revelation he differs majorly from Gentry and Chilton.
You won’t find any closely related charts outside of JBJ’s material. The structure of Revelation bears out his interpretation, too, I believe. Totus Christus has some charts that might be helpful, but I’m not exactly sure what you are referring to.